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Re: Charter goals
Hello all,
1.) the minutes of last conference are available on the web site. Comments?
2.) I didn't rephrase the charter yet, since discussiuons are still
going on. My remark to Tom's proposal: Where is the mapping document
gone to?
3.) I don't have time now to go into details and I might be off line
for the next couple of days, which depends on the
conferencefacilities... I am not sure if we will be able to get this
finalized tomorrow so the charter can be discussed at the next steering
group telephone conference, but I am leaving it up to you for now.
Carl: may be you shouzld comment on this.
Sorry, sometime there just is other important work as well.
Cheers,
Peter
Andreas Maier wrote:
>One idea we discussed in the call was (1) to define the JSIM and (2) to
>identify other IMs that are needed from a Grid perspective, but to leave
>the actual definition of these other IMs either to subsequent new WGs or to
>this WG as future work under an extended scope. We may well tackle this in
>a sequential way as Dan suggested.
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>I like this idea because that way, the goals for this WG are relatively
>clearly defined, and it also allows for some flexibility to extend the
>scope (then again quite clearly) once we have gained more experience in
>defining such IMs.
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>I have one more comment: Tom mentioned OGSA as the driver for IMs, I think
>we should reword that to be "the Grid community" or something like that,
>because the requirements should be driven by the needs of the grid
>community, not by the needs of OGSA.
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>In order to show that what we are doing has a strong relationship to OGSA,
>I think we should mention that in addition to a CIM representation of the
>IMs, we would also provide an interface definition of OGSA web services
>(i.e. GSDL+XSD) according to a general mapping from CIM to OGSA that is
>being defined in one of the OGSA related WGs.
>
>Andy
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>Andreas Maier
>IBM Senior Technical Staff Member, eServer Software Design
>IBM Lab Boeblingen, maiera@de.ibm.com, +49-7031-16-3654
>
>----- Forwarded by Andreas Maier/Germany/IBM on 25.09.2002 14:40 -----
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> Dan Gunter
> <dkgunter@lbl.gov To: cgs-wg@gridforum.org
> > cc:
> Sent by: Subject: Re: Charter goals
> owner-cgs-wg@grid
> forum.org
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> 24.09.2002 23:03
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>Well, who knows really. Neither of us have much to base our projections
>on. Let's take a different approach. The group should first do the
>queueing schema. Then if there's time, tackle OGSA. How does that sound?
>So when the milestones are laid out they would go:
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>1. develop JSIM (6 mos. we hope)
>2. address CIM/OGSA interactions (6-12 mos. we hope)
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>This way the group can focus on one thing at a time.
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>Of course the steering group might still say the charter is too broad,
>but that's another matter.
>
>-- Dan
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>Larry Flon wrote:
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>>IMHO, it's OK to set an 18mo time frame to address deficiencies in CIM as
>>far as OGSA is concerned, and set the primary goal of this WG to be the
>>JSIM. We should be able to deliver the JSIM in 6 mos, and we can
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>indentify
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>>the other key deficiencies of CIM, like no current support for TTL data,
>>that need to be addressed before the WG disbands.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dan Gunter [mailto:dkgunter@lbl.gov]
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:35 PM
>>To: cgs-wg@gridforum.org
>>Subject: Re: Charter goals
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>>whoops! I meant that promoting things should NOT be an explicit task.
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>>makes more sense now, I hope :)
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>>- Dan
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>>Dan Gunter wrote:
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>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I missed the call, so I apologize if these points were already raised.
>>>
>>>It strikes me that the "primary goal" stated below is quite enough for
>>>a
>>>working group, and that the other "goals" are really just context and
>>>future work that could be part of the charter's text, but really don't
>>>belong as official WG goals.
>>>
>>>Also, I don't think "promoting" things should be an explicit task.
>>>Useful WG products will promote themselves. Promoting something before
>>>it's determined to be useful is not productive.
>>>
>>>- Dan
>>>
>>>Tom Roney wrote:
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>>>>One of the action items resulting from today's teleconference was the
>>>>re-writing of the "Goals" section of our proposed "Charter of the CIM
>>>>based Grid Schema Working Group." I volunteered to offer my
>>>>interpretation of the changes we agreed to make. Your comments as to
>>>>what I have perceived as a general concensus are quite welcome, and
>>>>expected.
>>>>
>>>>You will note that we have agreed to rephrase the term
>>>>"Job Submission Interface," in favor of "Job Submission Information
>>>>Model." We are not describing an interface. Rather, we are
>>>>describing the information required by an OGSA queueing service for
>>>>the successful submission of a job to a queue.
>>>>
>>>> - The general goal of the CGS-WG is to produce CIM specifications
>>>> and schemas of classes not yet standardized by the DMTF but
>>>> urgently needed by the OGSA, and to promote these specifications
>>>> and schemas within the DMTF for their adoption as CIM standards.
>>>>
>>>> - The primary goal of the CGS-WG is to produce a CIM-based
>>>> "Job Submission Information Model" based on OGSA requirements,
>>>> and to promote this model within the DMTF for their adoption
>>>> as a CIM standard.
>>>>
>>>> - The secondary goal of the CGS-WG is to determine which other
>>>> grid-computing resources are required by the OGSA but still
>>>> lack a CIM specification and schema -- for development in
>>>> either this or perhaps a future working group.
>>>>
>>>> - The CGS-WG will explore the possible use of evolving CIM-based
>>>> Open Source software in grid computing, and liaise with other
>>>> OGSA-based working groups for their input.
>>>>
>>>>Please comment,
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>
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