Re: [cgs-wg] Re: CIM-based Grid Schema Working Group

["Steve McGough (Mobile)" <asm100@doc.ic.ac.uk>]

Peter,

I'd largly agree with your summary below. The scope of JSDL is much 
narrower than that of JSIM. The only thing that I feel you have 
incorrect is that JSDL could also be used for launching a job from one 
grid entity to another.

As to whether we should develope JSDL in CIM and then map it to XML, I 
can't say I know enough about CIM to say this would be a good or bad 
move. I would however be interested in knowing more about CIM and how it 
would help us with JSDL.

cheers,

steve..

Peter Gietz wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Ali Anjomshoaa wrote:
> > Peter, do you think you can comment on how you think your JSIM work may
> > contribute to the JSDL efforts in defining an XML based job submission
> > language?
>
>
> Well the overall scope of the two groups is different, AFAICS. While 
> JSDL is about sending a job to the grid, JSIM is about managing a job 
> inside the grid. Anyway I see that there will be some attributes for 
> describing a job that overlap in both activities. We should see that 
> these overlapping attributes should be defined in a compatible way, 
> i.e. with the same semantics. In so far I see the need of inter-group 
> communication.
>
> Another side comment: since CIM is a very generic way to modell data 
> (sort of UML like), it might be worth while to think about moddeling 
> the JSDL in CIM and then map it to XML. But this is just my 2 cent.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> The CGS WG of the Performance and Information Services Area
>> [ http://www.isi.edu/~flon/cgs-wg/index.htm ]
>>
>> has a very interesting document on Job Submission Interface Model
>> (JSIM).
>>
>> [ http://www.isi.edu/~flon/cgs-wg/jsim/jsim.doc ]
>>
>> The JSIM is a model based on (and extends) the DMTF's Common Information
>> Model (CIM) job schema. I am not familiar with this work, although 
>> after a
>> first run through the document I believe that this job submission 
>> model is
>> relevant to our work on defining a common JSDL (also a model?).
>>
>> Has anyone studied this document? Does anyone have any comments on
>> this? Can we clarify our position with respect to this work?
>>
>> Peter Gietz is one of the CGS WG chairs and has drawn our attention to
>> their work and a possible collaboration. It is possible that we can 
>> tease
>> out a CIM based RDL, like the one we mention in our web pages, that
>> marries well with a JSDL.
>>
>> Peter, do you think you can comment on how you think your JSIM work may
>> contribute to the JSDL efforts in defining an XML based job submission
>> language?
>>
>> Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ali
>>
>>
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